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    Ok, so let's face the music, I'm a senior in high school with no dough but i gotta decent idea for a movie and i've wanted to make one (a good one!) since first grade. The thing is, I need to buy a camera. I've got a few but none that i know of that'll work really nice. so i'm looking into mini DVs seeing as theyre pretty good, but who wants to get ripped off? not me! so outta the Canon GL2 and _this_
    what would you guys suggest?
    Any advice is appreciated! Thanks!

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    Not used the GL2, and for that matter, haven't used the GS500 either, but I have used the GS400 (previous years model) and the MX500 (model before that) to shoot this.

    Both cameras benefited from being aimed at users in my position, i.e. no experience/training, but needing to be able to easily control the image, with control over the focus, exposure, white balance etc. My understanding was - and this is the reason I went with these cameras - that no-one else was offering that level of control at that price. The 2 cameras were similar in most respects, but the GS400 (later model) had a slightly richer image, and performed much better in low-light conditions.

    This is an excellent site which has in depth reviews of dozens of cameras, and importantly, lots of comparisons. They recently compared the GS400 and GS500, and their opinion was that while the GS500 did produce a marginally better image, they had shed some of the price, by removing the functions/flexibility offered to the film-maker, which sounds odd, as i felt that these were the key points the MX500 and GS400 were being sold on. Based on their comparisons, i would recomend that if you do go down the cheaper panasonic route, get yourself a second-hand or end-of-the-line GS400, and avoid the GS500.

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    The advise which has been repeatedly given on this board and which I second is to rent the best camera that you can.

    If you are shooting miniDV you can capture your footage later on any half-decent computer using whatever crappy camcorder you can lay your hands on as once the footage has been shot it won't be altered by digitizing it through a different camcorder.

    <font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ July 05, 2006 07:19 AM: Message edited by: assyrix ]</font>

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    TSM, do you know someone who could lend you a camera? Just, for most people, their film is not Citizen Kane, and the rate limiting factor is rarely the camera. And a shot taken with the most entry level of camcorders of a scene that is well lit, will look better than a high end camera shooting something poorly lit.

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    Still in high school? Do you not have a film department to borrow from? Or perhaps a local college?

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    no, no film department here. Though now that you mention it I should probably look into that... I looked into renting a camera locally but the cheapest I could find was a proffessional HD kit I could rent from LA for about 3000 a week. It was pretty tempting considering that it was top of the line quality for a (relatively) decent price but I just dont got that kinda money to throw into a film...
    Thanks for the advice halfempty- it's probably what I'll end up doing at this point but the problem is theres a lot of fight scenes in this movie and angles all around the action. It'll be tough to get a good angle without the lighting interfering but I think I'll make it work. However, I read an article on the camcorder review site suggesting that the GS500 was actually in a few significant ways better of the GS400 as well as the GL2. Maybe I'm just reading the wrong article. In any case, I watched your trailer and liked what I saw
    I know the camera shouldnt be a factor that will make or break this film, but I am afraid it is to a degree. Plus I am still considering the whole issue of soundcapture and location. However, I think for now I will fully focus on the script. That's something I cant fall short on!

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    What about shooting Film??

    Super8 is cheap.

    Good Luck

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    Originally posted by TheStrandedMoose:
    I know the camera shouldnt be a factor that will make or break this film, but I am afraid it is to a degree.
    <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm not sure that this is true and I suspect you'll feel differently in 18 months time, but I have long been a believer that you can only learn from your own mistakes, and need to be free to make them.

    Originally posted by TheStrandedMoose:
    I think for now I will fully focus on the script. That's something I cant fall short on!
    <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This is certainly true.

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    It's worth bearing in mind that when Coppola hooked up with Lucas and was driving the beginnings of American Zoetrope, his philosophy was to buy loads of equipment on credit (much to Lucas' chagrin - guess who was the businessman in the partnership!)

    I own a basic location sound recording kit, simply because it's there when I need it and I know I'm not being given the battered "student" kit from a hire facility.

    If you want to buy a camera, do some thorough research, then go for it. But make sure you get your money's worth and don't stop making movies for at least 5 years.

    I very nearly bought a HDV cam for "Sexton Lovecraft" but decided against it purely for financial reasons.

    Owning your own kit does break down another barrier, but you must also realise that the kit you are likely to be able to afford to own will not be a patch on top-notch professional kit.

    Also, owning your own kit can get you work.

    Buying your own stuff, it's not all bad y'know! But do heed the rest of the advice in this thread. Moviemaking, IMO, is about attitude, not about the kit you own (or don't own).

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